{"id":9346,"date":"2014-04-26T10:01:51","date_gmt":"2014-04-26T10:01:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/?p=9346"},"modified":"2023-02-19T10:07:04","modified_gmt":"2023-02-19T10:07:04","slug":"%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e5%bd%93%e4%bb%a3%e8%89%ba%e6%9c%af%e5%a4%a7%e5%a5%96%ef%bc%88ccaa%ef%bc%89%e7%9a%8415%e5%b9%b4%ef%bc%9a-%e4%b9%8c%e5%88%a9%c2%b7%e5%b8%8c%e5%85%8b%e8%ae%bf%e8%b0%88-uli-sigg-interv","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/zh-hans\/%e4%b8%ad%e5%9b%bd%e5%bd%93%e4%bb%a3%e8%89%ba%e6%9c%af%e5%a4%a7%e5%a5%96%ef%bc%88ccaa%ef%bc%89%e7%9a%8415%e5%b9%b4%ef%bc%9a-%e4%b9%8c%e5%88%a9%c2%b7%e5%b8%8c%e5%85%8b%e8%ae%bf%e8%b0%88-uli-sigg-interv\/","title":{"rendered":"\u4e2d\u56fd\u5f53\u4ee3\u827a\u672f\u5927\u5956\uff08CCAA\uff09\u768415\u5e74\uff1a \u4e4c\u5229\u00b7\u5e0c\u514b\u8bbf\u8c08 Uli Sigg interview"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u4f5c\u8005\uff1aChris Moore \u58a8\u864e\u607a<br>\u8bd1\uff1aLiang Shuhan 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