{"id":1002,"date":"2012-12-20T09:42:00","date_gmt":"2012-12-20T09:42:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/?p=1002"},"modified":"2022-09-18T09:51:28","modified_gmt":"2022-09-18T09:51:28","slug":"flipping-the-switch-with-sun-dongdong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/zh-hant\/flipping-the-switch-with-sun-dongdong\/","title":{"rendered":"Flipping the Switch &#8211; Interview with Sun Dongdong"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>by Liang Shuhan \u6881\u8212\u6db5 and Iona Whittaker \u7231\u5b89\u963f<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>As a preview to the exhibition \u201cON | OFF: China\u2019s Young Artists in Concept and Practice,\u201d randian<\/strong><strong><\/strong><strong>is publishing a<\/strong><strong>&nbsp;series of conversations in the lead-up to the opening, offering insights into the concept and planning of the show, and the perspectives of participating artists.&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>\u00a0\u201cON | OFF: China\u2019s Young Artists in Concept and Practice,\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0an exhibition of the work of 50 young mainland Chinese artists, will open at\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/ucca.org.cn\/en\/\">UCCA<\/a>\u00a0(Ullens Center for Contemporary Art) in Beijing on January 13, 2013. Curated by Sun Dongdong and Bao Dong, the exhibition aims to survey the work of these artists in the tense context of recent Chinese history and their experience of life and artistic practice. Randian\u2019s editors met Sun Dongdong to discuss the exhibition in the final weeks of its preparation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"355\" height=\"468\" src=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hans\/sdd.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1008\" srcset=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hans\/EcafU1qD-sdd-228x300.jpg 228w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hans\/sdd-114x150.jpg 114w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hans\/sdd.jpg 355w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 355px) 100vw, 355px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Liang Shuhan<\/strong>: I notice that the time bracket of the exhibition begins in 1976 \u2014 is there a particular reason for this? Some of the artists were born in 1986 \u2014 ten years later \u2014 or even in \u201989 or \u201990. Those born at these different moments are likely to have different sentiments, different outlooks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sun Dongdong<\/strong>: We see 1976 as the commencing of a new era, when China began to open itself. It was Phil (Tinari \u2013 Director of UCCA) who proposed this exhibition of young artists\u2019 work and invited us to curate it \u2014 he was born in 1977. Mine and my co-curator Bao Dong\u2019s focus on young artists is constant and ongoing. Why \u201976? That was our choice \u2014 but the end date, 1989, is the birth date of the youngest artist in the exhibition. It is not about sudden economic reform, but about the cumulative effect of reform, about people becoming more and more stressed and under pressure. That is the question this exhibition intends to explore. Actually, the inspiration for the name of this project came from internet VPNs [virtual private networks] \u2014 there is a button on the software \u2014 \u201con\u201d and \u201coff\u201d. ON | OFF is a very suitable title to imply the life of our generation because of what it says about openness and limitation. And it is selective, because we are also selective, making choices \u2014 you can select to go out and to go back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Iona Whittaker<\/strong>: So it\u2019s about restriction and choice?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Yes. And it\u2019s about the two powers existing relatively. One is control and the other is truth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: It makes me think of the dialectics through which Chinese art has often been presented \u2014 inside and outside, in and out, on and off\u2026 Before, it was an inside\/outside dialectic, and now this exhibition offers ON | OFF as a way to conceptualise it. What kind of transition does this suggest as having happened during the lifetimes of these artists? Perhaps you can comment on that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Maybe in\/out is about a description of the status quo. Every exhibition has its own question or idea. Maybe those in\/out exhibitions were about two groups of artists \u2014 one inside, the other outside or abroad, for example. Our title, ON | OFF, is all about emerging artists in Mainland China. It\u2019s about the questions and encounters that have occurred as they have grown up.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: What do you think about this in terms of wider development, the conditions for art and artists and how art is presented and received (particularly as this is conveyed as a seminal show)?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: In the curatorial statement we mention that this generation of young artists faces questions in terms of art. They appear luckier than the previous generation, but that is just on the face of it. They encounter problems to do with the gallery system and new issues within the \u201cecology\u201d of art.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: What kinds of issues?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Maybe some of them, just after they graduate or even before that, have collaborated with a gallery. And this gallery system has already exerted influence on the production of these young artists. They also encounter questions pertaining to globalisation. Their personal experience of this is not about the influence of capital on them; it is more about the spread of the internet that helps to build a sense of collectiveness. Some of the artists already knew each other when they were students; interaction online is different from that with their peers. Because of the internet, contemporary Chinese art post-2000 has become more cohesive, but before the internet, there were geographical and communication limitations \u2014 artists were not that united. Bao Dong is from Anhui and I am from Nanjing; before we came to Beijing, most of the knowledge we had about art was gleaned from the internet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: What was the selection process?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Zhao Li, the curator at CAFA, had an exhibition called \u201cYoung Hundred,\u201d where he collected together 100 young artists; this show of ours has been dubbed \u201chalf-hundred\u201d! We at first had a list of artists we could think of, saw through exhibitions or that we simply knew. But that list was not comprehensive, so through discussion and research in other cities, it extended to 50 artists. If we call those artists who have collaborated with galleries and\/or institutions \u201cyoung emerging artists,\u201d what about those who haven\u2019t yet collaborated with anyone? So we also met and talked to young artists who had no experience with galleries.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: Anyone you decided not to include, and why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: \u201cRepresentative of\u201d \u2014 anybody can use this idea in the contemporary context. The exhibition doesn\u2019t stand for anything; it\u2019s not about the intrusion of a curatorial theme. We just want to present their artistic practice, and don\u2019t intend to intervene in it. The artists have not made work specifically for this exhibition. Bao Dong and I just wanted them to continue their routine and practice, and we selected works for the show. There were no proposals \u2014 our selections were based on experience of their ongoing practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: Did any of the artists want to do new works? In seeing a chance to promote themselves through this exhibition, for example?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Almost none, but it\u2019s a grey area \u2014 you can\u2019t really tell if they have been or are preparing something specifically\u2026 But we did say to some artists which series of theirs would be suitable for the exhibition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: And what about your personal ambitions as a curator and aims for the exhibition \u2014 how would you define those?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Our aim is to represent some ambiguous things that are complex or difficult to define. On one hand, we are trying to offer a broad view of young artists\u2019 practice, and on the other we want the viewers to decode what they see and develop an idea of the subjective perspective of each artist\u2019s work. Art is not just about careers and an industry or \u201cthe system\u201d exclusively. Art has two sides. Practitioners of art realize themselves through artistic practice, but the audiences experiencing the artworks may be led to reflect on the status quo. So, if you put art in a more expanded context, it is not necessarily that theoretical and abstract. Art must be about practice. So the subtitle of this exhibition, \u201cChina\u2019s Young Artists in Concept and Practice,\u201d is about the connection between consciousness and practice. It is tailored to young artists, and promotes some sense of action. This is why we decided also to include non-gallery artists.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>LS<\/strong>: What makes this exhibition stand out amongst so many exhibitions of young artists\u2019 work?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: Let\u2019s take a look at the big picture. Following the economic crisis, people started paying more attention to emerging artists. Examples are ample, such as the \u201cYoung 100\u201d show which came about under the auspices of the market. Apparently, the older generation\u2019s creativity had begun to diminish, and couldn\u2019t manifest a sufficiently exciting state. To choose young artists means creating more possibilities, but it\u2019s not easy or necessary to tell the commercial and academic sides apart, as they often intertwine. Our curatorial style is different in its attitude towards young artists. The \u201cSub-Phenomena\u201d exhibition at CAFA Museum, for example, was about the older generation looking at the younger one, to support them as \u201csuccessors\u201d (\u201cJiebanren\u201d \u2014 a communist term referring to taking the baton, as in a relay race); most of the nominators were of the older generation, or were even those don\u2019t know too much about Chinese contemporary art. This is why it was called a \u201creport\u201d \u2014 indicating their unfamiliarity. They tried to achieve a kind of balance and comprehensiveness through the art system, but showed that they know little about the practice of young artists. They simply realized that youth is an issue that deserves consideration, and saw only this rather than doing any serious research in this area. The result was an interpretation of these artists\u2019 practice through knowledge. That\u2019s why they set up a series of themes, like \u201cself-media.\u201d When culture is affected by globalization, cultural similarities are inevitable. But knowledge is often abstract when applied to art. How to understand this deviation? The CAFAM show merely provided some \u201ccategories\u201d \u2014 you can\u2019t really tell which artists fit with which. These unitary concepts were put up on the walls, but didn\u2019t help divide the show into different sections. The curatorial team were cautious, hesitating to apply these categories to the practice of the artists.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>IW<\/strong>: Are there any comments or questions you would like to add, aside from what we have talked about?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SDD<\/strong>: I want through this exhibition to show the public the complexity of artistic practice in China now \u2014 not just gallery-oriented taste. I expect that viewers will see an artist\u2019s work and say \u201cOh, he is creating his work in this way, and another guy is making is his work in that way,\u201d so through these different systems and inter-contextual encounters \u2014 and struggles \u2014 viewers can realize questions about what is happening now, artistically. My intention also is that the exhibition should be a reflection on the experience of modernity in the international context. But that reflection on the experience of modernity is contained within a particular time period. Maybe some people will see the influence of experience on the artists and their work; if one can perceive these experiences, then that could be a starting-point for reflection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Iona Whittaker and Liang Shuhan met Sun Dongdong in 798 on December 10, 2012<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Exhibition details:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ON | OFF: China\u2019s Young Artists in Concept and Practice<\/strong><em><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.randian-online.com\/np_space\/ullens-center-for-contemporary-art\/\">Ullens Centre for Contemporary Art<\/a>&nbsp;<\/strong><strong>(UCCA \u2013&nbsp;<\/strong>798 Art District, No. 4 Jiuxianqiao Lu, Chaoyang District, Beijing, China 100015<strong>)<\/strong><strong>&nbsp;Jan 13 \u2013 Apr 14, 2013<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Participating Artists:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Birdhead, Chen Wei, Chen Yujun + Chen Yufan, Chen Zhe, Chen Zhou, Cheng Ran, Fang Lu, Ge Lei, Gong Jian + Li Jinghu, Guo Hongwei, He Xiangyu, Hu Xiangqian, Hu Xiaoyuan, Huang Ran, Jiang Pengyi, Jin Shan, Lee Fuchun, Li Liao, Li Ming, Li Ran, Li Shurui, Liang Yuanwei, Liu Chuang, Liu Xinyi, Lu Yang, Ma Qiusha, Qiu Xiaofei, Shang Yixin, Shi Wanwan, Song Ta, Song Yuanyuan, Sun Xun, Tang Dixin, Wang Guangle, Wang Sishun, Wang Yuyang, Wen Ling, Wu Junyong, Xie Molin, Xin Yunpeng, Xu Qu, Xu Zhe, Yan Xing, Yang Jian, Yang Xinguang, Zhang Ding, Zhang Liaoyuan, Zhao Yao, Zhao Zhao, Zhou Tao<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Liang Shuhan \u6881\u8212\u6db5 and Iona Whittaker \u7231 &hellip; 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