{"id":289,"date":"2011-08-30T07:23:00","date_gmt":"2011-08-30T07:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/?p=289"},"modified":"2022-09-07T05:02:24","modified_gmt":"2022-09-07T05:02:24","slug":"qiu-zhijie-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/zh-hant\/qiu-zhijie-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"Qiu Zhijie interview"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>by Sasha Zhao<br>translation by Robin Peckham<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sasha Zhao:&nbsp;<\/strong>Bamboo items appeared in your exhibition \u201cBreaking through the Ice\u201d at the Ullens Center for Contemporary Art in 2009, in which bamboo objects of different forms appeared to grow out from bamboo mats. How is this current exhibition, which again utilizes bamboo as a material, related to the previous project? Bamboo strongly implies Chinese cultural imagery, as with the \u201cSeven Sages of the Bamboo Grove\u201d in the Wei and Jin dynasties or the understanding of the \u201cunity of knowledge and practice\u201d that Wang Yangming achieved through investigating bamboo in the Ming period. What triggered you to return to this \u201cinvestigation of bamboo\u201d with your literati sensibility? Is this a continuation of the cultural archaeology and imagination of \u201cQiu\u2019s Notes\u201d?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Qiu Zhijie<\/strong>: Bamboo is indeed a significant element in Chinese culture, but in the process of using it for my work I did not intend to emphasize it as a particularly Chinese cultural element. Of course, my use of bamboo items, beginning with \u201cInterface\u201d and \u201cMy 72 Transformations,\u201d has involved a certain recollection of childhood. Bamboo objects evoke memories connected to the recently passed agrarian age. In our present living environment\u2014increasingly virtual and textual\u2014such highly textural materials represent a lifestyle that is almost abandoned. In memory, however, this lifestyle involves a warm and pliable strength. Humanity is losing itself in a torrent of motivational self-improvement and futurism, while there is hidden in the bamboo forest another kind of philosophy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"548\" height=\"377\" src=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/001_Picture-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-291\" srcset=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/001_Picture-1-300x206.png 300w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/001_Picture-1-150x103.png 150w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/001_Picture-1-436x300.png 436w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/001_Picture-1.png 548w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 548px) 100vw, 548px\" \/><figcaption>\u201cCell,\u201d Installation View (Courtesy of Pace Beijing). \u90b1\u5fd7\u6770 \u201c\u7ec6\u80de\u201d \u7cfb\u5217\u573a\u666f\u56fe, 2011\u5e74\u3002<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In this sense I do not stress the blood relationship between bamboo and Chinese culture; in fact, other cultures also have profound knowledges of bamboo. The refinement of Japanese bamboo craft, for example, remains high even today, while a number of other countries take bamboo as an environmentally friendly building material for sustainable development\u2014a kind of bamboo reinforcement to replace steel\u2014and have seen great success. We cannot remain overly immersed in our own stories. Actually, artisanal bamboo weaving in the Chinese tradition is currently leaving the stage of history. Such craftsmen working with bamboo strips are now difficult to find under 40 years old in many places.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The fact that bamboo appears in this work is not directly related to the tradition of the \u201cSeven Sages of the Bamboo Grove,\u201d which assumes bamboo as a metaphorical representation of culture and character. But it is related to the story of Wang Yangming investigating bamboo. While weaving with the bamboo strips I reconsidered the nature of modeling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The entire production tends toward the confirmation of \u201cprinciple,\u201d not in terms of \u201ctheory\u201d or \u201crationality\u201d but rather what the Chinese call \u201csense\u201d or \u201creason.\u201d Just as bamboo has joints and veins that constitute the principle along which the hands can work, giving rise to both the image and the art of the phrase \u201cas easy as splitting bamboo,\u201d so should other things grow outward according to their inner principles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SZ:&nbsp;<\/strong>This exhibition is titled \u201cCell\u201d; what are you trying to reveal through this diction? The cell is the basic unit of the activity of life, and the material of bamboo itself is a product of nature. If the project involves a form of human labor in which the hand participates, how does the work weave this together with the natural growth and propagation of the material?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>QZJ<\/strong>: \u201cCell\u201d refers to the way in which each work in the exhibition space constitutes an individual cell distinct from any other, while they also together constitute an organism. At the same time, it also emphasizes a sensation of spreading or multiplying, just as each of the works here is formed through slow handiwork.SZ: How does this exhibition use the Pace Beijing exhibition space? Could you briefly describe how the concept of your work is manifested on site?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>QZJ<\/strong>: The on-site manifestation of the work was determined early on: several dozen bamboo mats woven into modeled objects are installed on hexagonal bases. Only the floor of the gallery is used, with the walls left completely empty. The bases are low, so it seems that the objects have grown directly out of the floor. Each bamboo mat work can exist independently, or they can enter into all kinds of relationships in a beehive formation. This will be determined randomly while setting up the exhibition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"545\" height=\"409\" src=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/003_Picture-3.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-295\" srcset=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/003_Picture-3-300x225.png 300w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/003_Picture-3-150x113.png 150w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/003_Picture-3-400x300.png 400w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/003_Picture-3.png 545w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 545px) 100vw, 545px\" \/><figcaption>\u201cCell,\u201d Installation View. \u90b1\u5fd7\u6770 \u201c\u7ec6\u80de\u201d \u7cfb\u5217\u573a\u666f\u56fe, 2011\u5e74\u3002<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SZ<\/strong>: Works like the \u201cNanjing Yangtze River Bridge\u201d and \u201cColorful Lanterns of the Shangyuan Festival\u201d have manifested a literati understanding of time and space, involving also the experience and pursuit of extreme feelings like birth and death, sickness and aging, sorrow and joy, parting and reunion. Is this a central thread in the genealogy of your work? Do you find any contradiction between the core of the Chinese literati spirit and the creative methods of contemporary art?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>QZJ<\/strong>: Yes, we might say that the \u201csighing\u201d approach to life found in the Chinese literati\u2019s approach to time and space\u2014which we see in sayings like \u201c[life is as passing as] the footprints of birds in the sand,\u201d \u201cas ephemeral as a fleeting cloud,\u201d and \u201cour descendants will one day look back at us as we today view our ancestors\u201d\u2014constitutes a core thread of my practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cThe Nanjing Yangtze River Bridge Project\u201d was primarily intended to deal with the value system that says \u201ceven common people cannot be deprived of their will,\u201d and to reflect upon the monumentality of large-scale construction projects. Great revolutions always kidnap the fate of the common people with ideals, whether this grand ideal is called \u201crevolution\u201d or, as we find today, \u201csuccess.\u201d Traditional Chinese thinking has a profound ability to face the void in terms of its approach to power, and a profound sense of empathy and appreciation toward the defeated. Ambition and supremacy, no matter how great, ultimately end up as objects of commemoration. Common people, like bamboo, bend and bow in the face of a strong wind, but do not break; when the wind passes, they stand straight again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"547\" height=\"395\" src=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/002_Picture-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-298\" srcset=\"https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/002_Picture-2-300x217.png 300w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/002_Picture-2-150x108.png 150w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/002_Picture-2-415x300.png 415w, https:\/\/randian-art.s3.ap-east-1.amazonaws.com\/2022\/09\/zh-hant\/002_Picture-2.png 547w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 547px) 100vw, 547px\" \/><figcaption>\u201cCell,\u201d Installation View. \u90b1\u5fd7\u6770 \u201c\u7ec6\u80de\u201d \u7cfb\u5217\u573a\u666f\u56fe, 2011\u5e74\u3002<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cQiu\u2019s Notes Project: Colorful Lanterns of the Shangyuan Festival\u201d moves in a similar direction by exploring the latent texts of the theater of the history of sketching, seeking certain genetic traits. The basic structure of such historical stories is acted out again and again in various different eras, including our present age.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As such, my interpretation of Chinese culture emerges from contemporary questions, and the use of contemporary modes of production in terms of form is also necessary in a certain way\u2014there is no contradiction here. The problem is that the methods of contemporary art remain too simple, not subtle enough, and have produced a contemporary audience that brusquely and blindly worships fashion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SZ<\/strong>: You also have a blog called \u201cExtraordinary Site,\u201d which has maintained a steady rate of updates for many years; the diary seems to be a habit of yours, a method of documenting what happens in the here and now. Has this kind of diary also become a form of inscription, bearing with it your longstanding sigh for \u201cthe footprints of birds in the sand\u201d?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>QZJ<\/strong>: The \u201cExtraordinary Site\u201d blog was started in late 2005 and has run through the present. It has been viewed almost three million times and currently has 200 visits a day. It has become a medium, and its content is often reposted by other websites, so I cannot really take it as a diary for my own use. What I write there is usually block text, though I sometimes also use it as an educational platform.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Outside the blog, I still insist on writing a diary. When I was young I read the diary of Zeng Guofan and felt markedly inferior, knowing that man could live more seriously and more responsibly. Even if one simply records a few trivial things every day, this too is a time for self-contemplation. Though in these diaries outside of my blog, I do not record everything. To a certain degree, I see my diary as a letter to my future self.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is not to say that all everyday incidents are worthy of inscription or engraving, but every single day is worth seriously reviewing. Besides the loneliness of \u201cthe footprints of birds in the sand,\u201d we also have a concept of cyclical thinking: grief and joy are intermingled, after desperation comes hope, and after liberation there is responsibility. In the story of \u201cThe Old Man Who Moves Mountains,\u201d the logic that \u201cI shall leave a son behind, and through him a grandson\u201d marks an instance of such cyclical or staged thinking, just as Liang Qichao said that \u201cSuccess does not depend on me.\u201d As I grow older I occasionally think that the masters of the past live on in my person. And of course, some tasks that currently lie with me will ultimately be passed down to the next generation to complete. The recording of a diary is related in some way to this awareness.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Sasha Zhaotranslation by Robin Peckha &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/zh-hant\/qiu-zhijie-interview\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":295,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[17],"tags":[105,68,35,104,106,103,29,107],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Qiu Zhijie interview - \u71c3\u70b9 Ran Dian<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Sasha Zhao interviews Qiu Zhijie at Pace Beijing.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"http:\/\/www.randian.art\/qiu-zhijie-interview\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"zh_TW\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Qiu Zhijie interview - 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